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August 27, 2009 by ecoach Leave a Comment

Beginning on Tuesday morning, the pastor’s training camp began.  Our team had been invited by the moderator of the Presbyterian Church of Guatemala (pictured below)  to come and share particularly on the person and work of the Holy Spirit.

Moderator Yenner Tuesday

Pastors began to arrive and we gathered for lunch.

We shared the teaching time with another speaker, but various circumstances prevented us from actually networking with him.

Pastors, elders, and seminary students, along with some of the wives gathered at the camp.

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We met Ana (pictured in the blue blouse), who arrived just before our 4.00 session.

Chris began and spoke on the topic of who is the Holy Spirit and the four works of the Spirit as a foundational review.

Translator Ana
Chris Teaching
In response to prayer with our intercessors, we were led to specifically talk about how presbyterian we were.

So we included time about my ordination, and some of my journey to faith.  We talked about the extremes between ignoring the Holy Spirit, and overempahsizing the Spirit and it’s resultant emotionalism.

We concluded on time.  I had them break into 3s for prayer, to leave burdens home and then generally pray for openness to what God wanted to do.

During our team meeting that night (Ana had to go home), we discerned there was some defensiveness in the audience.  We knew that we were not going to be on the same tract as the main speaker.

We prayed that God would give us wisdom to think on our feet, that minds would stay open, and we prayed through our teaching plan for the next day.

Wednesday

Sam led off with our foundational teaching on kairos moments – what are they and how do they work.

This moment of cooperation is foundational to understanding how to cooperate with the Holy Spirit and how to experience the working of the Spiritual Gifts.

This was good basic reformed theology, though we could tell that the idea of cooperating with God in working in the kingdom still stirred up some defensiveness.

Do we have the privilege of cooperating with God?  Aren’t our works already an expression of what God is doing?

For some, this teaching presented theological challenges.

Sam Teaching

We took a break and then Chris moved into the function/vocational gifts teaching.

Again, we stressed how Presbyterian we were and helped connect examples of how these gifts might often be used already by our audience.  Some were skeptical, but polite.

As a group, they didn’t talk much.  They weren’t responsive with Q&A or when we asked them questions.  We were not sure how to read or interpret that.  Later we figured out that people would corner us 1-1 to ask their questions in private.  We saw a lot of spiritual thirst for this information.

The idea of cooperating with the Holy Spirit was a stretch for some of them, and there remained some confusion of the Spirit within/upon distinction that is foundational to the entire Dunamis series.  The questions that were asked turned out to be along those lines.

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Wedneday afternoon – powerful prayer ministry.

The other speaker used 30 minutes of our time, so we lost some time to teach.

Sam continued to talked about the manifestational gifts and being filled with the Holy Spirit, then we moved into a time of prayer.  It appeared that those who were not open to the idea of the ongoing gifts left the room.  Those who couldn’t accept the reality of what we were teaching politely left and went outside.  That helped narrow down the group to those who were really hungering and thirsting for the work of the Spirit.

People were encouraged to break into groups, pray for each other, and then we broke up into teams for people who wanted prayer for the filling of the Spirit.

Sam and I were a team, Ana and Ben served as a team.

For some, this was a powerful ministry time.

  • At least two physical healings were given testimony with evidence continuing the next day.
  • One rested in the spirit (who had only been a new convert for 6 months).  We talked with her later and she described her experience as falling into a deep sleep and loosing all awareness.
  • Others sought out prayer for emotional healing, which we had to postpone until later in the evening.

Unfortunately the prayer time was cut off by announcements and dinner break.  There was no time to debrief, and some who wanted prayer didn’t get it.

I wish I could share all that God did that afternoon, but those are just samples.  As people talked with us over the next 24 hours, this seemed to be a turning point in the conference.

Our ministry style is not noisy or flashy, nor full of excess emotionalism.

We were simply Presbyterian pastors who are willing to take the risk to cooperate with the Holy Spirit in kingdom work.

We tried to keep our teaching as “down to earth” as possible, as well as our personalities and behavior — being ourselves; we were not some North American superstars with TV ministries that need money.

Dinner and Evening Ministry

Over dinner, I had a brief talk with Yenner, about the spiritual history of the Presbyterian Church of Guatemala and the presbytery.

The presbytery at one point had split because of the charismata, and churches were loosing converts to the pentecostal / neo-pentecostal groups.  Outsiders were labeling the Presbyterian Church “dead” because many are missing the “avivimiento” (maybe a liveliness or spirit-filled expressiveness).  New converts would leave after discovering that other churches had more passion in their worship services.

After dinner, I took the last plenary session of Wednesday night.  The final plenary of the day.  Physical exhaustion was clear.  People were tired of information.

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I used some of the time to clearly debrief the experiences before dinner and walk through the 4 tests of discernment that PRMI uses.

I felt led at the moment to describe how I became a Presbyterian pastor, and how I came under the authority of the word of God.

A lady who experienced a physical healing offered to let us use her as a case study and the 4 discernment tests.  This modeled how we could follow the tests of discernment, and keep the prayer times non-emotional.

I’m not sure how well the last teaching connected with people, they were just soooo tired.

It focused on How Does the Holy Spirit talk to us?  We looked at examples from Scriptures as we explored some of the mechanics of  HOW we might hear God’s voice.

We had another time of prayer ministry and got to do some 1-1 prayer ministry out of that.

In the case with Sam and I, we dealt with two men for some inner healing and some deep issues of forgiveness.  Some good emotional healing.  I simply served as as translator.  Sam threw me for a loop with some word choices I couldn’t translate, and I simply tried my best to explain it rather than translate it.

Ben and Ana did some prayer counseling for a young woman who received some emotional, but incomplete, healing.  The evidence was very clear the next day as we checked in with people.

Thursday, our last day.

We were scheduled to have about 1 hour of time, but the other expositor used not only his time, but all of ours .

So we didn’t have a chance to wrap anything up or debrief.

The camp schedule had some tourism time built into it before lunch, so we went to the shore of lake Amatitlan.  Unfortunately, the lake is polluted and nutrient imbalanced, so algae slime was really thick.  What was a pristine lake a few decades ago has now been ruined.  Efforts are underway to restore it, but it will take a few decades for sure.

We used the time to speak with a few of the conference participants about what the event meant for them.

One man in particiular gave us some of Guatemala history, particularly about it’s relationship with neighboring Belize, which he said a former president sold to the UK.  In ’74, Guatemala raised an army to invade Belize in an attempt to recapture it as Guatemalan territory, but a major earthquake destroyed Guatemala City and all efforts moved to relief rather than invasion.

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After lunch, we traded some goodbyes and had some processing time as a team.  Praying about next steps and what should follow.

Finally, we went home on Friday on safe and uneventful flights.

See also:

  • Presbyterian Pastors Conference
  • Sunday Preaching at Central Presbyterian
  • Travelling to Guatemala

Filed Under: Ministry, Teaching

Sunday Preaching at Central Presbyterian

August 27, 2009 by ecoach 1 Comment

Sunday

The Presbyterian Church of Guatemala invited us to speak at their pastors training camp later in the week.

But for reasons of cheaper airfare, we flew in on Saturday, and then I was given the opportunity to preach two services at Iglesia Central Presbyterian, in zone one, across from the equivient to Capital Hill and next to the President’s working offices.

[more of the experience below]

Central Presbyterian Guatemala City

Preaching at Central Pres

Approximately 500 people attended the two services.  I got to preach in Spanish.  It was recorded, so if you want one, please ask and I’ll send it to you.

Liturgy was followed from the bulletin, using a blend of hymns and contemporary Spanish worship songs.

This church had a new experience for me: the prayer time.  People were invited to the front to pray before the preaching of the word.  The pulpit is on a raised platform, which had kneelers in front of it.  This helped people come and kneel at the front.  The elders came to lay hands and pray for individuals.  I went up to spend some time praying, and two of the elders came by to pray for me.

I’m convinced that their prayers were guided by the Holy Spirit as they touched only on themes I was praying about.

The rest of the congregation did more singing during this time.

Greeting visitors was a calling them forth, having them stand up and share their names into a microphone.  The whole congregation then waved at each guest individually.  Ushers went and put a VISITOR sticker badge on them.  I felt honored, even though i don’t recommend this practice in North America.  With the exception of the badges, we experienced this type of greeting at the second church and at the conference we attended.

I was put on the spot to try translating greetings from Sam and Ben.  He did his best, but I’m sure it wasn’t the cleanest or purest Spanish.

Translating for ben

Between services, we were wisked to Applebees for a typical breakfast and back for the second service where the process was repeated all over again.  For lunch we wanted some typical food, and taken to the Guate version of KFC.  We ate very well and then taken on back to the camp.  Unfortunately, we didn’t get to do much sight seeing in the historic areas around the church.

polloCamperoStoreMissed Evangelism Opportunity

The church had a 3.00 pm evangelistic outreach, which we didn’t know about and thus didn’t work into the schedule.  I talked with the elder in charge of this outreach, and learned they do a tract distribution, and personal invitation to a special service.  They’ve had several conversions this year, and are celebrating some baptisms and the Lord’s supper.

Sunday Evening

daniel2We were returned to the camp where we could rest for a few mintues before running off to a church, El Buen Pastor in Amatitlan.  A smaller church, about 150.  They were having their missions conference.  Daniel, our host at the camp is an elder.

We met their pastor, discovered they hadn’t arranged for a translator, so I preached again in Spanish. They were also gracious enough to move some flowers away from the pulpit so that I wouldn’t have an allergic reaction.
Preach at El Buen Pastor

This time I really felt like a kairos moment was occuring, but I didn’t have the autority from the pastor to have an altar call.  They don’t do that there at that church.  Had I checked in with the pastor ahead of time, I would have likely continued with it, but that didn’t work.

The preaching of the Word.

All three sermons were on having a personal devotional time and the richness of having a regular, daily time with God to gain wisdom for living.

Many people commented on the power of the sermon.  Those who said more than the cursory God bless you at the exit told me of how that sermon hit the spot.  Most affirmed my ability to preach in Spanish.  I know that GOd can use the scripture, even if I’m not always gramattically correct.

I remember seeing different social classes all worshipping together.  Shaking hands with people from nearly all age groups.  Dressed to the 9s and as campesinos who don’t have much.  People saying things like “That sermon meant a lot to me”  “This was a good reminder to me that I need to get back into the word.”\

God’s generous protection and provision

After evening church, we were taken again to Pollo Campero, the Guate version of KFC.  A nice meal with Daniel and his wife. We told all sorts of preacher jokes, with me serving as a translator.

Some jokes didn’t translate without an explanation of the pun, and I had to deal with some really hard words going to Spanish, but we laughed alot.

While we were eating, the fuse box in the car under the passenger seat caught fire and the car couldn’t start.  (Below is not our car, but a visual representation of the fire damage).

We thanked God that our fire driven breakdown occurred

  • In a well lit and crowded parking lot
  • In a parking lot with 24 hour security
  • While we were inside the restaurant and not in the car
  • That we were close to the camp for easy pick-up
  • That the fire didn’t spread to the cabin of the car.

Daniel made arrangements for us to be picked up.  On the way home, our driver on the way home said this town is very dangerous to walk in as a stranger. While we felt no danger, we were not ever allowed to be alone outside the camp.  We heard stories of bus driver assassinations (about 2 a day, down from 5 a day), and read lots of state department warnings about the violent crime rate.  We noticed that our hosts were taking to us to well developed and secure places to eat and kept us away from places that wouldn’t be wise to be in as a foreigner.

We passed the rest of the evening in prayer — wondering about spiritual warfare.

  • Power problems coming in and out at the camp,
  • Camera batteries running out,
  • Supplies being left in our home countries
  • Car fuse box shorting out.
  • Even during one of our prayer meetings, the lights went out.

Daniel mentioned later that the power problems were a new issue that hadn’t happened before.  Having learned that the camp had been a Mayan sacrifical ground, we took some authority and asked the Lord to clear a space for us to work in and for his spirit to move.  Conincidentially, the lights came back on.  We asked our intercessors to be praying along those lines, not wanting to deal with any spiritual warfare locally.

Mayan sacrifical rocks

Monday: Antiguo Gautemala.

A day of tourism.  Daniel took us to the old city, established in the 1500s if not sooner, but destroyed by earthquake and a resulting flood.  We walked around, and it reminded me much of Cuszco Peru.

Antiguo

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Visited ruins of the central church, had a great lunch of typical food, and we spent some time talking with Daniel about his view on the state of the church.

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Had our picture taken with some local women dressed in typical garb, and simply passed the day.  We continued telling jokes and generally building a relationship.

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Praying for the conference.

We spent time as a team praying for God’s will to be done, praying for the camp, continuing to pray that God would create an open space for His spirit to work.

Our intercessors were guiding us to pray about thinking on our feet and seeing spiritual reality.  We kept asking God to show us how to think on our feet, and how to network with people.  Knowing that some of our teaching material would be new, we kept praying for receptivity and open minds.

See Also:

  • Presbyterian Pastors Conference
  • Sunday Preaching at Central Presbyterian
  • Travelling to Guatemala

Filed Under: Ministry

Travelling to Guatemala

August 27, 2009 by ecoach 2 Comments

Here in August of 2009, I led a team of 3 to Guatemala at the invitation of the moderator of the Presbyterian Church.

Following up on a presentation last year by another member of the PRMI ministry, we were invited to address their annual pastors training event at Mt. Zion Camp, about 45 minutes away from the airport in Guatemala city.

The whole story will be broken up into 3 posts (links active when others are published):

  • Getting to Guatemala
  • Sunday Preaching at Central Presbyterian
  • The Pastors Conference in Guatemala.

Getting to Guatemala

My flight was a bit delayed, and the only other hitch was my ground connection was a little late.  My teammates came in on a Delta flight earlier in the day.

I was greeted by Pastor Alvaro (pictured below), the moderator of the presbtyery of Guatemala city.  We communicated well in spanish.  He spoke slowly with me, so that I could understand everything.alvaro Ruiz presbytery moderator

As we were driven to the camp in a beat-up 4 door pickup, I saw many familiar sights as typical in latin america. Lots of painted advertising on cement one story structures, lots of pedestrians.  What was different was seeing alot of the women wearing Mayan traditional clothing.  Guatemala city is built on mountains ridges so the descent to the camp was steep and fast.  This is one country that hopefully has a good brake inspection system.

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Arrival at the camp

Mt. Zion camp is a beautiful but sligtly rustic camp.  We had indoor plumbing, but no hot water.  Some of the cabins had bathrooms in separate cabins.  Our toilet didn’t have a seat.

Daniel, the camp administrator welcomed us, showed us around, and turned out to be a great host.  With some instructions, he left us with word that he’d pick us up for dinner.

daniel

We used the afternoon to unpack, rest a little from the travel.  He also gave us a tour of the office, some introdcutions to staff and the like.

Most of the staff lives on site, and each staff member has at least two chickens.  We saw plenty of those chickens everywhere.  Lots of dogs around too.

The camp turned out to be more humid than expected, and no where near as frigid cold as Vida Joven’s camp in Matagalpa Nicaragua.  We expected overnight temperatures in the 50s from weather reports, but don’t think it ever got that cold.  No jackets were needed.  Sleeping bags were too much.  We would have been fine with blankets.

The scenery was its own beatuiful vista.  The camp overlooks a beautiful but polluted lake.  From our distance, it doesn’t look polluted, but it was.  Algae blooms gave it a green tint.  No boaters on it except the olympic team in training.  Fishermen might be on it, but only for catch and release.  Common words shared with me was don’t eat it.  This is the view from the dining hall.

Lake Amatitlan Guatemala

However, mosquitos, roaches, spiders, bees, and flies were plentiful.  Bug spray is an absolute must, wearing it nearly every day to keep it at minimum.

Rainy season meant mud.  Mud tracked everywhere.  An umbrella would have been more helpful than a jacket.

In our cabin, flip flops were a must to keep your feet clean, but make sure they had bugspray.  I got bit something fierce on my right leg that may very where have been a spider bite.  About 10 welts on my right calf.

Food for the trip

Most of the food during the trip turned out to be wonderfully typical.

  • Pureed black beans and cheese with everything.
  • Platanos of some kind nearly every meal.
  • Corn meal used rather frequently.
  • Tamales, and they also liked some picante for their food.
  • Lots of tomoatoes, fresh fruit, and fresh bread nearly every morning.
  • The boiled corn on the cob, rubbed with lemon and a little salt was new, and tasted just fine.

We asked for typical food and had plenty of it.

Filed Under: Ministry, Teaching

2 Years of Ministry

July 21, 2009 by ecoach Leave a Comment

the_cry_splash_photo_1 This past week, on July 19, we passed the two year mark of our work in Panama and in Latin America.

It’s been two years of ups and down, highs and lows, all the time believing in the promise of God that called us here.

To revisit our purposes and the promise of our calling, here is a summary.

The Calling and the Promise

“Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed. . . . just as it had been said to him “so shall your offspring be.” .  .  .  . He did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. (Romans 4:18-21).

I’m not Abraham, but the Lord reminded me that he gave us a calling and promise when we were called here.

We came to Panama with a calling

to Ignite the Church in the Americas in the power of the Holy Spirit to passionately fulfill God’s call to reach the nations.

This plays out in three parts

1.  Evangelism training.

We give workshops in personal evangelism and church growth for individual churches, individuals, and also regional groupings of churches.

Workshops vary in length from 2 hours to a full weekend.    This training is taking us all over Panama, and into other countries.

The Lord has also opened to the door for training missionaries for cross cultural missions, whether in the home country with immigrants, or abroad.

2.  Serving Mission Teams.

Over the past two years,  we served a team from Seacoast in Charleston SC and then one from Richmond VA this year.

We are praying for more open doors to partner with local mission organizations that bring teams to do outreach in our city.

We firmly believe that street evangelism is not to be disconnected from a local church and we serve a local church to help in this area.

3.  Teaching Children’s Ministry leaders.

The whole family is involved in children’s ministry leadership training as the Lord opens the doors.

We continue to pray for more open doors in this area that Brenda may be able to give more presentations and grow her webiste.

As part of the promise given to us,

Panama was to be the hub from which we operate.

Panama is the airline transportation hub for Latin America, and as such, we live close to the airport.

Our ministry is international in scope, continuing to give evangelism training in the US and in Latin America.

Time in Venezuela, Nicaragua, the US, and next month Guatemala.  Costa Rica remains in discussion, as does Colombia.

Amazed at God’s care

Through it all, we’ve had to rely on God’s provision from God’s people.

There have been times we have faced the end of our bank accounts in under 45 days.

Yet there appear surprises in the mail that continue to sustain us.

Planning for the future

We are grateful for the support that has been given to us over the year.

We need to grow it to a sustainable and somewhat predictable level to free us up to ramp up more ministry.

Our budget for this coming year is about $3500 a month.  $5000 a month would enable us to save for the future.

We are not quite there and ask you to join us in praying for more supporting churches and individuals.

We ask you to pray for more paid evangelism teaching engagements in the US with churches and regional governing bodies.

How can you respond?

1.  Download and print our partner response form

You’ll need a PDF reader to view it.

Print it out and stick it with your devotional materials as a prayer reminder of what God might be calling you to do with us.

Whether you choose to donate or simply pray for us, still print this out.

You can print and distribute to mission committees and prayer groups.

2.  Donate.

  • By Credit card: Automatic recurring contributions or make a special offering by visiting our support page.  I’ve put up a video screen cast to show you how.
  • By Check: Mark your gift for the Mission to Americas.  Make check payable to PRMI and mail to PRMI, P.O.Box 429, Black Mountain NC 28711

We need people to join our monthly team as well as one time gifts.

Our desire

We long to see the church in the Americas equipped to do the work of evangelism.  We invite you to join with us as you are called and empowered by the Lord to do so.

Filed Under: Ministry, Panama, Prayer

Funding Our Work

June 30, 2009 by ecoach Leave a Comment

A friend of mine said this the best in his most recent letter to their supporters:

I really do not like sending out urgent pleas for help – it is rather humbling.

But I am so committed to doing this work that God has called us to and we are all seeing such wonderful fruit that is giving glory of Jesus Christ that I am willing to ask for help.

First from God and next from all of you!

I know that humbling feeling.  I’ve been wrestling with God over it for a few weeks in my own prayer time.

As we step into July, our work here faces a shortfall in its monthly support, as well as short term project needs in the next 60 days.

The global economy affects our work, much as it may have affected you personally.

Praise the Lord for Sufficient Provision

We give glory to God for how He has supported us through his people and the work of EvangelismCoach.org since we first moved here 2 years ago July.   The work here has been sustained for nearly two years without pleas for urgent support.

We’ve seen

  • Timely gifts,
  • Hallway offerings
  • Offerings at events
  • Paid speaking engagements,
  • Online Book sales (How to Welcome Church Visitors)
  • Several supporters join our team monthly – without being asked.

We’ve seen the end of our bank accounts and timely last minute provision out of the blue to sustain us a few more months.  We can give story after story of last minute provision from surprise sources.

We can also promise you that living by faith this way is also very hard on the intestines – the body still feels the stress, even if the mind is at peace in trusting God.

So many of you believe in and support our work that has taken us into 4 different countries (with a 5th one coming this August) to give evangelism training in two different cultures.

As you have walked with us via our newsletter or intercessors list you’ve heard how we’ve seen

  • People come to faith in Christ,
  • Some healings, both physical and emotional
  • Church members refreshed and encouraged to share their faith
  • Several kairos moments of ministry where the Lord has used us to advance His kingdom

We can tell lots of stories.

Learning from Paul

When Paul went to Corinth, he worked alongside Aquila and Priscilla, making tents and doing ministry on the Sabbath. Once Silas and Timothy arrived, he was able to devote himself full time.

Paul didn’t start full time in his new city.  Instead, he had to establish his base of support, either from his business, or from another form of support.  In this case, I think he was able to grow his business to the point of handing it off to someone else to manage.

Paul had to be bi-vocational for a while, before being able to be full time in ministry.

This is the season we are in now – building support and building our business to the point of setting us free to minister full time here in Latin America.

The Reality of the Present

While we have seen sustaining provision to cover our immediate expenses, we’ve not yet had enough to set aside funds for future needs that we see coming.

We have some urgent project needs connected to us being here that we simply have no savings to cover.

We are asking God for provision and look forward to being able to tell stories of this provision.

We’re working at trying to use our business to generate revenue but the economic climate of the US has canceled all my speaking invitations at least through October.

What you can do

We need

  • to expand our monthly support base and
  • A generous outpouring of gifts in the next 60 days to meet some urgent needs connected to us being here.
  • Invitations to do paid evangelism training in regional conferences.

Here is what you can do.

  • Give thanks for all the gifts that God has already sent and pray for His blessing on all those who enable this work through prayer, participation and giving.
  • Please pray that we will have wisdom to be good stewards of every penny and ask the Lord to move people to give.
  • We need to pray in an average of 3,000 a month just to keep everything going.  5,000 a month would be ideal to help us save for August 2010 and not be in this situation again next year.  And every gift helps!
  • So please pray for provision in the form of regular monthly small gifts! Each one makes a huge difference and we are so grateful for all those who already do give like this.  Your dollars go much farther here in terms of buying power for groceries and fresh fruits.

Here is how you can act

1.  Download and print our partner response form

You’ll need a PDF reader to view it.

Print it out and stick it with your devotional materials as a prayer reminder of what God might be calling you to do with us.

Whether you choose to donate or simply pray for us, still print this out.

You can print and distribute to mission committees and prayer groups.

2.  Donate.

  • By Credit card: Automatic recurring contributions or make a special offering by visiting our support page.  I’ve put up a video screen cast to show you how.
  • By Check: Mark your gift for the Mission to Americas.  Make check payable to PRMI and mail to PRMI, P.O.Box 429, Black Mountain NC 28711

We need people to join our monthly team as well as one time gifts.

Our desire

We long to see the church in the Americas equipped to do the work of evangelism.  We invite you to join with us as you are called and empowered by the Lord to do so.

Filed Under: Ministry, Prayer, Support

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